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The tradition of the curse

A story told in the community’s Kulapurana, its versions, how researchers see it, and how to record it with respect — a separate section.

Chapters (15)
  1. Who are the Padmasaliyar?
  2. Bhavana Rishi and the Padmasaliyar tradition
  3. The puranic tradition of origin
  4. Lotus, Padma and the weaving tradition
  5. Ancient homeland and migration
  6. Andhra, Telangana, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu
  7. The weaving trade and contribution to society
  8. Padmasaliyar in the age of kings
  9. Temples, religion and culture
  10. Social structure, gotras and divisions
  11. The tradition of the curse — a separate section
  12. The colonial period and its records
  13. Padmasaliyar in modern times
  14. The community around the world
  15. Conclusion
Chapter 11

The tradition of the curse

The Padmasaliyar Kulapurana contains the story of a curse. The story helps the community to understand together its high tradition and the position it later held in the social order as weavers. As this is a sensitive subject, we have written every statement here with a note of who is saying it.

  • Kulapurana / what the community says
  • Written / research record
  • Yet to be verified

The story the Kulapurana tells

Different versions of the story

As this is an oral tradition, there are small differences in the details.

  • Number of gotras: Most accounts say 101 gotras; one blog mentions 96 gotras.
  • Name of the gem: Some accounts give the name, some say only “a miraculous gem”.
  • Effect of the curse: Some accounts say that because of the curse they came to be regarded as Vaishya, others as Shudra. The community’s own accounts say that the community never regarded itself as Shudra.

A calculation

The researchers’ view

To be verified

  • The exact text of this passage in a copy of the Kulapurana (the name of the gem, the name Padmasaka).
  • Which place “Srirama Agraharam” is, and a date for Parabrahmamurti (Padmabhavacharya).
  • The names and places of the four mathas (the record of tradition is in Chapter 10; it must be confirmed from manuscripts and inscriptions).
  • The period of Tata Acharya and Pattabhi Ramaswamy, and the book in which they are recorded.
  • The oral form in which this story is told in your families.

At a glance

StatementCategory
Brahma’s gem, Padmasaka, Ganapati’s curseKulapurana
The penance of Parabrahmamurti; 5,000 yearsKulapurana
101 (or 96) gotras, eight groups, four mathasYet to be verified
The Sanskritisation view; the efforts of the MahasabhaResearch record
The explanation of “Brahmin status by conduct”The community’s self-explanation

Next chapter

12. The colonial period and its records — what Thurston, Rangachari and the Census records say about the Padmasaliyar, and how to read them.